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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 574 the 15th of September

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2019 Richardson is here with you from

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the Bay Area San Francisco where it's

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been hot bit of a late summer heat wave

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coming up on this week's show at the top

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of the show skeptical outreach with the

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Bay Area skeptics I joined the Bay Area

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skeptics a few days ago at the Solano

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stroll you'll find out what that is soon

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where we had a little tender little

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table and we were doing psychokinesis

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tests on the general public could they

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influence the rolling of a normal

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six-sided die a fun day out and a good

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day to promote science and reason find

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out more at the top of the show

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following that it's the raw skeptic

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Heidi Robinson with a report from her

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area of New South Wales the far north

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coast about irresponsible parents and a

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measles outbreak but it's not all bad

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news Heidi also reads out a letter from

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a man making some very very good points

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indeed find out soon and we have some

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sad news to report with the passing a

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skeptic and psychic debunker Robert

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Lancaster I meant Robert at the amazing

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meeting many years ago and of course

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it's very sad to hear that he is passed

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away towards the end of the show it's

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another update from susan gerbic and her

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work at guerrilla skepticism on

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wikipedia and stay tuned at the end of

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the show for some news about where susan

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will be appearing and then to round off

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the show I meet up with my old friend

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Mario Schott Lander who I first met who

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I first met in 2008 in Las Vegas after

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admiring her online videos about how to

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do science in the bathtub and all sorts

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of things anyway Mario who works at

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Wikipedia has launched her own little

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wiki called nutshell wiki find out what

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that's all about and how you can help

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towards the end of the show a bumper a

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Bubba show this week but that's enough

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for me

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wonder I wonder if I have any little

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bits of cheese chocolate champagne and

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chilies left now that is a good

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combination folks well I searched around

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for that I hope you enjoy the skipped

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the Solano Avenue stroll also known as

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the Solano stroll is an annual Street

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Fair held on the second Sunday of

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September on the Solano Avenue shopping

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district of Albany and Berkeley

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California stretching close to 2 miles

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long and bringing between 250,000 to

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300,000 attendees in a single day it has

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been called the oldest and largest

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street festival in the San Francisco Bay

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Area and the world's biggest block party

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in 2001 the Library of Congress's

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American Folklife Center in Washington

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DC designated the festival as a national

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local legacy it was my pleasure to join

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members of the Bay Area skeptics to be

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on hand to help promote science and

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today is the 8th of September 2019 I'm

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in Berkeley California for what they

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call the Solano stroll which is a very

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long Street Fair these things are common

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in Sydney of course and I'm sure out the

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capitals around the world lots of people

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here setting up little tents little

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stalls little stands and crowds of

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people shuffle pass to have a fun day

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out I'm here helping out today with the

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Bay Area skeptics and we have a little

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allotment here and today we're going to

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be conducting psychic tests so yes are

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you psychic

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take the pique challenge with the Bay

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Area skeptics and the idea is somebody

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will come around choose a number from 1

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to 6 keep that a secret to themselves by

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picking a card and then we'll get them

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to roll this lovely casino blue dye I

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have in my hand in this big tub and see

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if they can use their psychic powers to

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manipulate what number comes up and we

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record the results and given them

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results if they're lucky enough to get

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the number coming up twice we're going

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to give them a prize of a d-10 dice

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we've got a whole stack of those and

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here's dr. eugenie scott just what we

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got here Bay Area skeptics pagers that

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means buttons buttons or badges I'd call

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there's a badge that's a [\h__\h] that's a

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badge but then you call you call cookies

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biscuits so a button is this this is a

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button right and then a bad you

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something you know oh we can have this

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argument forever you're probably correct

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this badge would be more of anybody this

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is what you pin on yourself

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I'll buy that I'll buy that we got a

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couple of tables set up here or everyone

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else is setting up it's really before

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the event gets going but you've done

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this a number of times

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oh yeah well I actually started doing

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this with the various with the National

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Center for science education but also

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in high school which was back in the 90s

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I guess it was the high school crew team

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has a display and berry Bay Area

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skeptics have had displays so yeah this

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is just a fun a fun way to spend a

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Sunday afternoon in the sunshine with

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your neighbors and friends and we're

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gonna teach people a little bit about

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science I'm sure we will I'm looking

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forward to it now I step out here and I

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look right down the street there are

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tents as far as I can see and we've got

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a band setting up next to us that should

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be interesting they called the quarry

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persons the quarry persons know what I

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wonder what sort of music they'll be

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playing I'll step out from the stand now

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before things get going and have a quick

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look around Berkeley Repertory Theater

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have a stand we've got the Berkeley

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Playhouse something called youth

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division which is four dances Berkeley

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something or other here Berkeley humane

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saving friends since 1927 now it's like

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the RSPCA - something for the aid of

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animals in distress I think and lots of

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lots of what's this ferns garden an

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artist I think that is popping up here

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all sorts of things and I bet I bet my

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bottom dollar there is probably going to

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be a little bit of a shall we say

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alternative thinking but later on I'll

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take a stroll when I have time I'm doing

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several ships here today at the table

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and we'll see what we can find but it's

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always a good day when you get to do

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outreach scientific and skeptical

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outreach to the general community

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it's almost starting time it's almost

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10:00 o'clock Jeannie and my goodness me

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in front of us stretching as far as the

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eye can see

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people are lining up for a parade which

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oh yes the Solano stroll has a terrific

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parade in a lot of ways it's a very

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typical Street Fair or country festival

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parade so to speak there are high school

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marching bands and there the Girl Scouts

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will be marching and in front of us

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lining up is a children's martial arts

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group they're all in their little white

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suits with belts and there's a Chinese

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dance group which is probably a little

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have that in Iowa but then again this is

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Berkeley so it's going to also have some

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shall we say in local colors all right

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and as we speak there's a cloud of

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bubbles yes somebody's got a bubble

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maker which is a whole lot of fun yeah

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this will be great this will be great

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and I'm just noticing the band next to

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us which I mentioned before the quarry

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persons and I'm looking at all their

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guitars they're straight out of the

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Beatles catalogue there's a Hoffa base

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over there's probably a Rickenbacker

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over there somewhere so that should be

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interesting music for us to work to

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today yep fun they're right next door so

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we will definitely hear them we've

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already had three people tick around

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with oh I just lost the results that oh

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you there so our first one got zero and

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one got one correct and the last person

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got three correct three correct by the

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time we finished with this you can

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your website if you want we should get a

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we had last year when we did the

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psychokinesis challenge it's a lot of

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and the grade has started at last and

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all streaming fastest slowly bit by bit

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there's so many people in the parade it

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stretches right down the street and

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coming up now past our position we have

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climate strike 1,000 grandmother's for

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future generations and indeed I guess

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grandmother's for future generations

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grandmother's came up to was thinking we

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were the skeptics as in the climate

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change skeptics but that happens all the

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time all the time

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the skeptics ISM and we get confused

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with them whoa help they go

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all sorts of people what a colorful

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parade this is you should probably wear

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one of these Mardi Gras beads that was

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given to us by one of the parade people

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patterns of American Street Fair is I

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mean people will toss out Mardi Gras

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somebody's gonna be tossing us candy at

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some point ooh just wait we get the best

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seat in the house Judy this is why I

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moved the booth here rather than a block

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away

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swimming team right and they're

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certainly making a splash here today the

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swimming team the yellow submarine's

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critical thinking and your chest

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clean before paranormal like

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psychokinesis so come back and you can

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try our psychokinesis challenge yes see

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if you can make a dice roll

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well my first shift is over and I'm

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surprised I've got a voice left at all

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I've been trying to talk to people about

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the Bay Area skeptics right next to next

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to the Beatles tribute band which is a

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lot of fun to hear the music but oh boy

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so it's my opportunity now to walk the

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length of this this event and on both

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sides of me lots of people lots of

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stands and I'm sure I'm going to find

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some very interesting things on my break

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we certainly had an interesting group of

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people the lineup of people the range of

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people come up to do the psychic test to

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psychokinesis a lot of people were very

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curious to know what the skeptics were

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I'm gonna break my train of thought here

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prank my train of thought I've come up

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to one end of the stroll and I can it's

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at the top of the hill and I can see

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down to the other end let's be two of

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all kilometres it's quite something

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anyway it's a lot of interesting people

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a lot of people interested to know what

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the skeptics are a lot of people didn't

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understand quite a few people thinking

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that or asking how a climate change

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skeptics a lot of people quite pleased

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to see the skeptical outreach and

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somebody warned me there are psychics

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down the other end so I'll have a look

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and the last woman I tested on the dice

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tested reasonably well but for correct

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which is beating the odds and then she

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looked at me said well of course I'm

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psychic anyway

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hoosh led to an interesting discussion

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and well there you go so the range of

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stands and stalls and outreach here is

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quite something National Park Service

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I'm passing right now

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lots of things promoting local

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organizations which is fair enough and

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just another thought about the woman who

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said she was psychic the conversation

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with her afterwards didn't lead very far

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because there's a point where they don't

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want to really listen to what you're

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saying or they can't or their concepts

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are unknown to them

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it's a conversation I've had a thousand

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times before and there's you reach the

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time where you realize it's going

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walking down and as promised here we go

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psychic institution with people their

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arms out doing what I presume is Reiki

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or something like that modest little 10

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a couple of people who psychic fair open

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house are okay yeah oh it's it's the

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same thing I've seen again and again it

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mind body wallet for years and years and

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years hold up your hands

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oh hello it's a Bernie Sanders stand

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complete with cardboard cutout of Bernie

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oh it's the Scottish country dancing

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gone back Europe

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[Applause]

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things are seem to know what one's

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well you know the day had to come

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where I would say now I've seen it all

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as expected chiropractors are here but

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that's normal I think innate

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chiropractic and wellness studio

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optimizer athletic wellness potential

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increased stability and stamina it

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sounds like a old Power Balance test to

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me now there's a chiropractic bed and

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away they go and not far behind that or

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along from that we have a firm a company

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called Grove family acupuncture

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acupuncture herbs and nutrition

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fertility pregnancy I see sure oh that

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Oaks me folks

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we have free energy healing and the hook

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they're using to get people in this

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origami Wow I've made it back to the Bay

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Area skeptics store the Beatles have

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gone and we've got the the Mexican

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rhythms I guess the Latin rhythms

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I'm quite parched that was a long

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journey I did pick up a flyer

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I'm with William Paterson William how's

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it been going here very very well

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Richard it's really a very interesting

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we've proved well nothing we haven't

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proved a thing you've been doing the

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dice game with people yeah yes yes we're

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testing psychic ability or using a

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standard six-sided die and we're having

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them roll at a number of times and to

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find out well is anything unusual going

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on or do they get their number to come

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up a whole bunch of times in a row and

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so far we've had one person get six out

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of ten which is a little unusual but not

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not not so much that we can say the

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psychic psychokinesis exists I you know

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I I think I'm a bit skeptical about that

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six out of ten I got to get to the

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bottom of that one but I picked up this

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flyer down there CDM BPI welcome to our

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open house in psychic fair one seven-30

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Celino avenue salina straw bah-bah-bah

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we are offering free aura healings worth

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every cent and 15 minute clairvoyant

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readings one for $15 whew what a bargain

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a bargain fifteen bucks man you should

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see what they normally charge like I

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guess so goodness me well we should be

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charging for our or we're testing for

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psychokinetic abilities we should be

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charging for that but actually we're

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doing it for absolutely nothing just in

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the interest of science and even giving

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things away absolutely little little

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the day is going on it's almost 3

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o'clock we've had lots of people so far

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doing the old dice test and so far the

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results are falling in line with our

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predictions oddly enough and hello sir

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what's your name my name is Steven and

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you're helping out today and we just had

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one of those encounters we had a 9/11

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truther come out oh yeah the most

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terrifying thing that we can run into on

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one of these days and he yeah he came

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over and he said he was ready he was

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ready he said so what do you think about

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9/11 and I said that I believed that it

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had happened

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and then I left you hanging out today

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and I said it was terrorist flying

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planes in the building oh boy did he

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come up with the stuff and he had the

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rent already so when I tried to

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interject slightly no no he kept going

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and they looked at me and I said well

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how about that yeah and he looked at me

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and obviously I wasn't gonna bite ya you

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said well there you go

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well there you go I like the sort of

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putting the word go on it well there you

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go

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and he went yeah so um dad actually went

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a lot better than I was worried that it

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did and then we also had a woman that

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told us about her dreams for the whole

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yes a long chat about her dreams and

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what do you think they meant and then

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she ended up with Edgar Cayce in the the

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book of all knowledge and anyway she was

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nice enough she was very nice actually

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she almost wanted us to talk her out of

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it it seemed almost it was difficult it

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was hard to say but it's been it aside

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from the the loud bands which yeah yeah

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the bands have been actually very good

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bands just right next to us yes ed

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they're on a hiatus oh hello I spoke too

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soon one of the guys picking up the

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guitar no we've had half an hour of no

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bands which means we can chat to people

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they're going to start again soon but

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notes so far it's been an excellent day

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we've made contact with a lot of people

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yeah and it's been a lot of fun and we

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have been drawing a a beautiful bell

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curve on a piece of paper which as you

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say it's sort of spooky that we can

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actually predict something

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mathematically almost like we have

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psychic powers almost all the music

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starts my kids he just rolled the dice

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game was that fun yeah what did you how

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did you do okay yeah and did you have

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fun yes all right well thank you very

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at the end of the day we had about 43

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people try the psychokinesis dice

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challenge with six people getting four

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out of ten correct and that was the

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highest score on the day the most

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frequent score we discovered was getting

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a score of two out of ten followed

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closely by one out of ten and then an

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equal third place zero out of ten and

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three out of ten results that more or

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less followed the predetermined

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for more information about the Bay Area

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[Music]

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skeptic on 2019 the Australian skeptics

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from the 6th to the 8th of December we

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have an impressive speaker line-up

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including the skeptics guide to the

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universe dr. Steve novella Jay novella

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Cara Santa Maria Bob novella and Evan

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Bernstein also susan gerbic from

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guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia and

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many other international and local

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guests including Joe Thornley the host

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of zealot a podcast about cults and an

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author of a book by the same name

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skeptic God includes a trivia night on

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information about the event the speakers

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and how to buy tickets visit skeptic

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a you or follow the link in this week's

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show notes

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone

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Heidi Robertson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters here I have

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another article from Jane Hansen to read

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out this week but unfortunately it's not

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the news we would have wanted to hear

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here in northern New South Wales the

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article appeared in The Telegraph on the

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8th of September 2019 quote byron bay

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measles outbreak result of irresponsible

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parents health authorities are bracing

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for a measles outbreak in the

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anti-vaxxer land of byron bay after a

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local unvaccinated child caught measles

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in New Zealand and returned to the town

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doctors are now pleading with those

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parents who refuse to vaccinate their

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children to be more responsible when

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they travel to countries with measles

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outbreaks New Zealand has a serious

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outbreak of measles that has affected

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more than 1,000 children the infectious

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child traveled to several shops and

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cafes around byron bay a town where a

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third of all children are not vaccinated

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chair of the northern New South Wales

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local health district dr. Brian Pizzuti

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said the parents were simply

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irresponsible if they exposed their

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child to measles overseas if the

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children are not going to be vaccinated

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they should stay where they are safe

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dr. Pizzuti said it's irresponsible for

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the child to be exposed in the first

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place and then irresponsible to bring

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the child back into their own community

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the community itself now has to take

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some responsibility for making sure this

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doesn't happen

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it's all very well for mothers groups to

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tut-tut

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but there needs to be more pressure from

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the community to make sure these

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children are immunized parents at the

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byron bay preschool cavern barre center

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were informed of a suspected measles

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case on Thursday New South Wales health

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has not confirmed the case the local

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health district has also sent exposed

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children to the Byron Bay Hospital

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emergency department to be vaccinated

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and as a side note here I was in the bio

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Bay emergency department this last week

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with my poor son who broke his arm and I

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overheard a nurse organising a child for

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a child to come in and have the MMR

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vaccine which was great to hear that's

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one more child vaccinated that wasn't

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before and I read on quote measles is so

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contagious that if one person has it as

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many as 90% of the people exposed who

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are not immune will also become infected

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measles can cause fifths or convulsions

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croup and inflammation of the brain

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which could result in hospitalization to

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children in 1,000 with measles will have

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inflammation of the brain which can

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result in permanent brain damage or

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death a late complication of measles is

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subacute sclerosing pan and Sifl itis or

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SS PA which causes progressive brain

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damage and nearly always results in

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death the Byron Shire has the lowest

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immunization rate in the country with

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enormous peer pressure place on new

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mothers by the multitude of vocal

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anti-vaxxers the government has done

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what it can within reason it is now up

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to the burren community to do what it

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can to encourage more responsibility

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among the parents of these children

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dr. Pizzuti said to see a perfectly

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healthy child go through encephalitis

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and end up with a non-functioning brain

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is a dreadful prospect end quote so

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seeing the incubation period for measles

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is a couple of weeks we are currently

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all holding our breaths hoping that this

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one case is just the one case and since

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most people can only hold their breaths

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for a short period of time that seems

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unlikely sooner or later we all have to

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breathe in public and just hope that the

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measles virus is not in the vicinity in

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good news I did see a post on one of the

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local community Facebook pages and I

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mean local to the biome bay region by a

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local standing up for science I'd like

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to read it out as it was like a breath

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of fresh air this might be pretty common

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in other regions but it's not so common

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for locals to put themselves out here

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around here in support of vaccinations

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and science in general we've since

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contacted the author of this post and he

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is now a member of our Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters group I'm so

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happy to say so he posted this on his

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personal page as well as the Mullin

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bytes Facebook page and then it was

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reposted on the byron bay community news

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page and here it is quote byron let's go

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with the science I'm really concerned

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about the state of the planet because an

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international community of scientific

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researchers and experts are predicting

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dire outcomes of inaction

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my concern is shared by so many people

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in my community and around the world

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that a global consensus around climate

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emergency is occurring it's activating

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positive change there is resistance not

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in Byron Bay this week we have measles

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warnings in Byron Bay and the north

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coast re-emergence of highly preventable

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illnesses that

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caused havoc in times before

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vaccinations the overwhelming evidence

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from the medical research community

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across the globe is that vaccinations

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are safe and effective at reducing

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significant harm caused by the illness

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they protect us from the byron community

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is so enlightened about the need to

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address the climate crisis we so often

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have been ahead of the Australian

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narrative in the green space

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evidence-based scientific assumptions

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are accepted in this circumstance yet so

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many deny the evidence-based medical

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science around vaccinations 5g is

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another interesting topic in this space

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there is a fairly universal dismissal of

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the dangers being identified by some in

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our community by mainstream scientists

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who understand the technology from the

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mainstream scientific analysis I have

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read there is absolutely zero chance 5g

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will harm us however it will connect our

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community to much faster Internet this

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has so many benefits health education

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networking many many schools community

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organizations and businesses in our

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community are crying for better

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connectivity 5g is part of that just

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like radio changed communities by

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spreading ideas and opening

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opportunities to connect when it was

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emerging technology the Internet is

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doing the same for us today when radio

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was new some people believed conspiracy

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00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:13,150
theories about harmful effects of radio

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00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:16,210
waves in one moment we worship science

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the next we are abandoning it for the

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latest conspiracy theory hothouse by

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people with little or no scientific

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training or individual members or

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00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:28,540
disparate groups of scientists who

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disagree with peer-reviewed mainstream

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scientific assessments - the majority of

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parents in our community who do

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vaccinate thank you and to those who are

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questioning about the issue please read

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the mainstream consensus of medicine on

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the issue and trust the world's doctors

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and medical scientists are not

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conspiring to harm you

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end quote thanks for listening and until

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next time this has been Heidi Robertson

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of the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters you can follow us on Facebook

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and/or Twitter at in our VAX that's VA

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ex supporters and say hi if you're on

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00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:15,220
Facebook by sending us a message or just

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00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:17,580
a like to our Facebook page

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bye for now Mordy skeptics in the pub

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resent listening to the universe with

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gravitational waves Tuesday the 1st of

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October 7:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. with dr.

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Hannah a Middleton astrophysicist

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University of Melbourne

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[Music]

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in 2015 gravitational waves were

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observed for the first time from the

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collision of two black holes a billion

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light years away gravitational waves

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make minuscule changes in distance which

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were picked up by the laser

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interferometer gravitational-wave

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Observatory gravitational waves gives us

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a new way to learn about the universe

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this presentation is an overview of what

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has been discovered so far from

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gravitational waves and what

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observations can be made in the future

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that's Tuesday the first of October

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mordy skeptics in the pub for more

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00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:39,040
information check out the links on this

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[Music]

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now here's the news item that comes to

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us from the website of Australian

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skeptic skeptic Stockholm today you fell

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a skeptic and a psychic debunker Robert

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this is by Tim Mendham written on the

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8th of September 2019 Robert Lancaster

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noted American skeptical activist who

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created the website stopped Sylvia

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Browne 9 on September 7 following a long

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illness from a stroke in 2008 and a

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heart attack in 2011 in 2008 Lancaster

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launched the website devoted to

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debunking the claims made by psychic

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Sylvia Browne his investigations

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revealed many instances of Browns

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psychic visions being clearly wrong

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these also proved extremely damaging to

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the families of missing persons of whom

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Brown regularly claimed to have psychic

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knowledge in many cases stating that

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they had died when they hadn't or were

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living when they had died well before

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Browns claims were made for instance the

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site documented her involvement in the

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Holly Crewson missing person case in a

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2002 episode of the Montel Williams Show

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Brown said Crewson was at the time

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working as a stripper in Los Angeles

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however in 2006 her dental records were

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matched to a body that had been found in

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1996 Brown herself died in 2013

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Lancaster said he launched the site

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because quote I found her work with

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missing children to be incredibly

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offensive unquote Australian skeptics

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Inc Vice President Joe Ben amou said

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quote I only met him in person once at

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the amazing meeting in Las Vegas in 2010

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however we connected on Facebook and

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despite not having much contact in the

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ten years since we met he was someone

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who just stayed in my mind there's a

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thoroughly good human who tried to do

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something about the dishonest

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charlatanism that afflicts humanity

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unquote he suffered a stroke in 2008

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which hospitalized him for some time but

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he was able to remain active in the

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community

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and did much through a number of

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skeptical activities in 2009 he received

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the citizen science award from the James

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Randi Educational Foundation and was a

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regular presenter at the amazing meeting

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conventions and on a range of skeptical

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00:37:52,630 --> 00:37:49,880
podcasts and programs now I first met

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Robert Lancaster in 2008 of the amazing

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meeting and then we heard some time

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later about his stroke but if my memory

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serves I saw him again

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the very next year 2009 at the amazing

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meeting where by that stage he was named

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motorized wheelchair and I was sitting

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at the sceptic zone desk in the hallway

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and he made his way up past all the

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desks to stop to chat to everybody

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Robert Lancaster was a fine example of

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grit and determination despite obstacles

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he had to overcome and you can read that

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notice for yourself at skeptics calm day

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[Music]

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yo la cerva achieve a peer group skeptic

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may be limited : para llegar my solution

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irritability pada emergent Optima LX

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tradition George Carlin III Mac the

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multi-leaf assistance in Tallinn is

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delimited uber in diversity miss Connell

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era VFR traffic Tokyo's modulus of art

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intrusive Peter is saying allow several

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pierce or equivalent Girish magdalena

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nostalgic local

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I think we need to think

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here's susan gerbic Richard asked me to

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share gso W stories with the skeptic

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zone listeners every few weeks which I'm

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happy to do I personally do very little

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editing the real workers are people on

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our team we just have written over one

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thousand one hundred and thirty pages

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created completely from scratch or

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completely rewritten and these pages

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have been viewed forty-seven point six

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million times as I record this so I'm

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left with finding a Wikipedia story to

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amaze and amuse the skeptic zone

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listeners and I think I found something

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that might interest you all so one of my

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editors Kelly Eckersley who is an

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airline pilot based to Melbourne well he

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discovered the skeptic community from

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dr. Karl and then found the skeptic zone

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and then found the GSO W Wikipedia

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project about 18 months ago in March

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Kelly wrote a wikipedia page that was

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quite unusual

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normally the work we do falls under

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science or pseudoscience and I just

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wasn't sure about this Wikipedia page

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that he had written for someone called

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Leonard Posner who is that I mean I can

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hear you asking it and I was thinking

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the same thing

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so Posner said Noah was the youngest

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child to be murdered in the Sandy Hook

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school shooting in 2012 in the United

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States and I'm sure most of you are

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aware of the nightmare that Posner and

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the other parents received by conspiracy

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theorists fueled by trash like Alex

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Jones these letters refused to believe

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that Sandy Hook has happened they don't

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believe that know existed they think the

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federal government has made it all up

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false flags for reasons only a sick mind

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can imagine the Posner family has

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repeatedly had their address released

823
00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:55,220
and they are stalked and harassed and

824
00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:58,280
they've had to move often Posner began

825
00:42:01,150 --> 00:41:58,940
organ is a

826
00:42:05,260 --> 00:42:01,160
to fight back and it's called each Oh in

827
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:05,270
our network now h o in our doesn't stand

828
00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:06,410
for anything by the way

829
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:08,180
I'm sure conspiracy theorists will come

830
00:42:12,670 --> 00:42:10,790
up with all kinds of acronyms that fit

831
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:12,680
it but it really doesn't stand for

832
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:15,410
anything h o in our network is a

833
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,720
wikipedia page that kelly Eckersley just

834
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:20,480
wrote for the GSO w project as it ties

835
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,760
them to conspiracy theories so the

836
00:42:27,970 --> 00:42:26,000
mission of h o NR network is to protect

837
00:42:31,170 --> 00:42:27,980
survivors and the families of victims of

838
00:42:33,460 --> 00:42:31,180
mass casualty events like Sandy Hook the

839
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:33,470
families who are being harassed being

840
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:35,420
tormented threatened and intimidated

841
00:42:40,930 --> 00:42:37,849
online by hoaxers and hate groups

842
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:40,940
so when Posner was on his own trying to

843
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:43,970
fight against Facebook and Twitter and

844
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:47,210
other social media sites he was trying

845
00:42:52,809 --> 00:42:50,720
to flag and bullying and threatening

846
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:52,819
posts about him and his family and the

847
00:42:57,819 --> 00:42:55,670
other people who were victims of in

848
00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:57,829
Sandy Hook there was just really only

849
00:43:02,710 --> 00:42:59,950
him and there was a multitude of these

850
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,720
conspiracy theorists who were trying to

851
00:43:07,059 --> 00:43:05,359
harass him it was a lot of work Facebook

852
00:43:10,450 --> 00:43:07,069
and Twitter and YouTube weren't making

853
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:10,460
it easy on him they sprang up as often

854
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:13,250
as he was able to knock down any kind of

855
00:43:18,700 --> 00:43:17,089
use of the sun's image and I want to

856
00:43:20,170 --> 00:43:18,710
point out that at first Posner thought

857
00:43:22,750 --> 00:43:20,180
that maybe he should approach these

858
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:22,760
people who the conspiracy there isn't

859
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:24,770
and in showing him his son's birth

860
00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:26,569
certificate in pictures of his son and

861
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,790
his and showing him that he was a real

862
00:43:33,609 --> 00:43:31,040
person and maybe he convinced a few

863
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:33,619
people but for the most part it just fed

864
00:43:39,579 --> 00:43:36,560
into the conspiracy theory mind and

865
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:39,589
these people just took it up a notch and

866
00:43:46,329 --> 00:43:43,490
made him one of the biggest targets so

867
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:46,339
what has happened with the h o in our

868
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:49,970
network it's now a 501 C 3 what they're

869
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:51,770
able to do is they have about they have

870
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:53,810
about 300 volunteers and what they do is

871
00:43:58,829 --> 00:43:56,359
they go through they work to remove

872
00:44:02,349 --> 00:43:58,839
harassing content from the internet or

873
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:02,359
photos of the children were the teachers

874
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:06,170
and so on two that are being used for

875
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:08,089
the conspiracy theory mind what he was

876
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,630
able to do is he was able to get

877
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:12,400
Facebook to

878
00:44:18,359 --> 00:44:14,740
take it more seriously and apparently

879
00:44:20,609 --> 00:44:18,369
that's been successful YouTube has

880
00:44:23,999 --> 00:44:20,619
already started to change the way that

881
00:44:26,970 --> 00:44:24,009
they handle these tragic losses it's a

882
00:44:28,829 --> 00:44:26,980
slow process but he's making grounds

883
00:44:31,319 --> 00:44:28,839
same with Twitter it was another

884
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:31,329
slow-moving platform that wasn't really

885
00:44:38,130 --> 00:44:34,630
taking it seriously and now with h0 in

886
00:44:39,989 --> 00:44:38,140
our network there have more clout now

887
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:39,999
here's one I didn't release was a

888
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:41,339
problem but I guess it makes sense

889
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:44,200
WordPress which is the site that that

890
00:44:48,690 --> 00:44:46,180
you can make websites on they were

891
00:44:50,999 --> 00:44:48,700
really responsive apparently to Posner

892
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:51,009
and H o in are trying to get rid of

893
00:44:58,980 --> 00:44:55,240
websites that were absolutely fueled

894
00:45:01,289 --> 00:44:58,990
with hate and bullying against people

895
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:01,299
who have experienced mass tragedies like

896
00:45:06,839 --> 00:45:03,490
this by having these Wikipedia pages

897
00:45:09,569 --> 00:45:06,849
it's going to help out Posner and also

898
00:45:11,819 --> 00:45:09,579
the network to be able to happen be

899
00:45:15,390 --> 00:45:11,829
taken more seriously in the media's I

900
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:15,400
receive more probably more funding more

901
00:45:21,210 --> 00:45:18,400
interviews and it just helps them put

902
00:45:25,049 --> 00:45:21,220
their best foot forward and it is a way

903
00:45:26,549 --> 00:45:25,059
of helping out in in a way that you know

904
00:45:29,069 --> 00:45:26,559
our community probably wouldn't have

905
00:45:31,380 --> 00:45:29,079
been able to help out normally by

906
00:45:33,150 --> 00:45:31,390
creating a Wikipedia page because as we

907
00:45:35,099 --> 00:45:33,160
all know this is where people go to find

908
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:35,109
information about things as well as

909
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:37,210
they're able to write better stories

910
00:45:43,019 --> 00:45:40,630
about the network so this is like I say

911
00:45:44,430 --> 00:45:43,029
when way of helping out if anybody

912
00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:44,440
listening would like more information

913
00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:47,140
about the GS or W project you can find

914
00:45:54,349 --> 00:45:49,720
all kinds of information on our website

915
00:45:58,229 --> 00:45:54,359
which is about time project dot o-r-g

916
00:45:59,579 --> 00:45:58,239
you can also come and talk to me in one

917
00:46:02,130 --> 00:45:59,589
of the upcoming conference that's coming

918
00:46:05,970 --> 00:46:02,140
up soon up I will be speaking at saikhan

919
00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:05,980
in Vegas and October in November I will

920
00:46:11,130 --> 00:46:07,809
be at the New Zealand conference

921
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,140
speaking there as well as flying over to

922
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,839
Australia to spend a couple weeks over

923
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,480
there talking to anybody who wants to

924
00:46:21,569 --> 00:46:19,119
listen to me talk I'll be at the

925
00:46:24,910 --> 00:46:21,579
conference in early December and then

926
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:24,920
I'm going to be speaking in Sydney and

927
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:28,130
Canberra and Brisbane if you have a

928
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,450
chance to come out and see me talk

929
00:46:34,510 --> 00:46:32,480
please come on out and bring all your

930
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:34,520
great questions because I really love to

931
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:36,260
have a conversation with people I think

932
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:37,970
we're I think it's important that we

933
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:39,410
meet each other face-to-face and

934
00:46:42,850 --> 00:46:40,940
actually have a conversation about

935
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:42,860
things thank you so much

936
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:00,940
the reason was the interview show from

937
00:47:04,510 --> 00:47:03,200
the Merseyside skeptic society where

938
00:47:06,670 --> 00:47:04,520
each month I speak to someone about

939
00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:06,680
their fringe beliefs over the earth have

940
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:09,080
spoken to psychics UFO believers moon

941
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:11,089
landing and ayahs flat earthers Hollow

942
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:12,950
Earth as an all manner of unusual

943
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:14,810
conspiracy theorists but I've also

944
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:16,580
talked to aides denialists white

945
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,980
supremacists gay conversion therapies

946
00:47:22,359 --> 00:47:20,480
I even interviewed Jim Humble the

947
00:47:23,950 --> 00:47:22,369
inventor of miracle mineral supplement a

948
00:47:25,630 --> 00:47:23,960
form of industrial police that he and

949
00:47:28,420 --> 00:47:25,640
his followers used to treat cancer and

950
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:28,430
HIV this isn't a debate show my aim

951
00:47:32,859 --> 00:47:30,560
isn't to win an argument but when we

952
00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:32,869
listen to how people promote and justify

953
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:35,030
the ideas that we disagree with even the

954
00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:37,040
dangerous ones I think you become much

955
00:47:40,570 --> 00:47:38,750
more effective at countering those ideas

956
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:40,580
if that sounds like something you be

957
00:47:44,589 --> 00:47:42,650
interested in look for be reasonable on

958
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:44,599
Apple podcasts and everywhere else the

959
00:48:06,650 --> 00:47:45,510
podcast

960
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:09,829
we are missing the fog I'm with Mario

961
00:48:15,799 --> 00:48:12,720
shot Linda from Wikipedia where's the

962
00:48:19,339 --> 00:48:15,809
fog where's the fog it is a stinking hot

963
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:19,349
day in San Francisco yes we're at Carl

964
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:22,319
where are you Carl please visit us all

965
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:24,150
the folk Carl the fog what do they call

966
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:26,460
it Carl the folk you know I don't know

967
00:48:30,799 --> 00:48:28,950
I'm a transplant in San Francisco and

968
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:30,809
that was my question to I'm not sure I

969
00:48:34,849 --> 00:48:33,089
know that there's a Twitter account but

970
00:48:36,769 --> 00:48:34,859
I don't know what came first the name

971
00:48:41,299 --> 00:48:36,779
Carl the fog or the Twitter account

972
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:41,309
calling itself Carl the fog wherever I

973
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,529
mean this is it's thinking hot it's like

974
00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:45,599
it's like a stinking hot Sydney day here

975
00:48:49,069 --> 00:48:47,730
normally when you go down to Fisherman's

976
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,079
Wharf or something like there's a bit of

977
00:48:53,509 --> 00:48:51,630
a cool sea breeze and it feels great but

978
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:53,519
not today but we're not there we're

979
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:56,460
downtown we just had a nice salad now

980
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:58,140
folks you might remember I interviewed

981
00:49:03,289 --> 00:49:00,960
Mario or year back something maybe two

982
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:03,299
years back about Flat Earth that's right

983
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,940
and then after that I interviewed you

984
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:08,099
about your work at Wikipedia how's that

985
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:09,500
going oh it's going great

986
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:13,950
I still have I don't remember if we

987
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:15,990
talked about my team specifically but ya

988
00:49:21,650 --> 00:49:18,720
know everything works awesome we are

989
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,660
still operating we you know the mission

990
00:49:26,859 --> 00:49:23,579
is super important especially nowadays

991
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:26,869
with just politics all over the world

992
00:49:31,099 --> 00:49:29,670
you know we really care about proper

993
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:31,109
information and collaborative

994
00:49:37,579 --> 00:49:33,630
information and figuring out you know

995
00:49:40,249 --> 00:49:37,589
the the truth versus some of the others

996
00:49:42,769 --> 00:49:40,259
out there like Flat Earth so you would

997
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:42,779
not see that the world is flat on

998
00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:43,500
Wikipedia

999
00:49:49,009 --> 00:49:46,380
oh good but but they must be reference

1000
00:49:50,059 --> 00:49:49,019
to Flat Earth or the flat earth movement

1001
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:50,069
or something like that

1002
00:49:54,140 --> 00:49:52,440
oh I'm sure yes but it will not say that

1003
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:54,150
the earth is flat it will explain what

1004
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:58,200
the movement is but but you work at

1005
00:50:03,019 --> 00:49:59,700
Wikipedia surely you know what every

1006
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:03,029
page is oh of course yes my heart ask me

1007
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:03,450
anything

1008
00:50:08,220 --> 00:50:06,180
that's right now you are just telling me

1009
00:50:10,380 --> 00:50:08,230
over nice salad wheat

1010
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:10,390
moment ago about a new project you're

1011
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:12,550
involved with and I think you're really

1012
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:15,310
the genesis of this and it's all about

1013
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:18,010
cheat sheets what can you tell us yes so

1014
00:50:20,820 --> 00:50:19,060
this is one of those things you know how

1015
00:50:22,380 --> 00:50:20,830
the best ideas you have is well you're

1016
00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:22,390
taking a shower and thinking about your

1017
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:24,369
life that's basically what happens so I

1018
00:50:29,250 --> 00:50:26,650
was I was looking for stuff online just

1019
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,260
a reference for something and I found

1020
00:50:32,340 --> 00:50:30,880
this cheat sheet it was a programming

1021
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:32,350
language let's find this cheat sheet and

1022
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:33,760
I sent it around because it was very

1023
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:35,140
useful and then I looked at it and I was

1024
00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:36,670
like this is one of the most useful

1025
00:50:40,530 --> 00:50:39,100
cheat sheets out there for this language

1026
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,540
but I wish there was like you know two

1027
00:50:44,010 --> 00:50:42,640
or three more things in it and then I

1028
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:44,020
thought about it and I said why are we

1029
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:47,350
not might why didn't anyone make a wiki

1030
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,230
that is actually kind of like this and a

1031
00:50:54,450 --> 00:50:52,240
cheat sheet wiki so that everybody can

1032
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:54,460
contribute and everybody can edit it and

1033
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:56,170
everybody can add it and together we

1034
00:50:59,820 --> 00:50:57,640
will have like the best quick reference

1035
00:51:02,609 --> 00:50:59,830
for stuff quick reference cheat sheets

1036
00:51:04,980 --> 00:51:02,619
I've used those before many years ago

1037
00:51:08,190 --> 00:51:04,990
when I was a professional leaving not a

1038
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:08,200
HTML coder back in the early days of the

1039
00:51:12,270 --> 00:51:10,660
Internet I had various cheat sheets

1040
00:51:14,490 --> 00:51:12,280
around the office just above my desk

1041
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:14,500
there like at all what's this this mean

1042
00:51:18,540 --> 00:51:16,450
and that mean so this is taking it one

1043
00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:18,550
step further yeah and it could be for

1044
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:20,680
anything like I think for technology we

1045
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:21,970
use it a lot like kind of like you know

1046
00:51:26,849 --> 00:51:24,670
Oh what is this command for but it can

1047
00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:26,859
also be for cooking like who didn't use

1048
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:29,109
I need to remember you know especially

1049
00:51:33,810 --> 00:51:31,180
conversions like how much is a pound and

1050
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:33,820
whatever or how many cups is in you know

1051
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:36,160
a liter or whatever it is we use those

1052
00:51:39,390 --> 00:51:37,330
all the time and we keep having to

1053
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:39,400
search for them so having a single place

1054
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:40,690
where you have all the all the

1055
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:41,890
references there and it could be for

1056
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:44,830
languages it could be for you know

1057
00:51:48,690 --> 00:51:47,050
cooking it could be for computers it

1058
00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:48,700
could be for the metric system it could

1059
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:51,340
be for math equations we just look for

1060
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:53,050
those things a lot and the majority of

1061
00:51:57,180 --> 00:51:55,210
cases we find things that other people

1062
00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:57,190
made and they might not be completely

1063
00:52:02,070 --> 00:51:58,510
perfect so we end up like you know

1064
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:02,080
making our own so here's you know I was

1065
00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:04,570
like oh here's a place where how about I

1066
00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:06,160
create a place where everybody can just

1067
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:07,660
make it together yeah so that's what I

1068
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:10,270
did and it's called nutshell wiki so

1069
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:15,089
it's a HTTP nutshell dot wiki

1070
00:52:20,989 --> 00:52:18,930
and nutshell dot we I mean just before

1071
00:52:24,380 --> 00:52:20,999
when we were having our I sell it I put

1072
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:24,390
in nutshell dot wiki and I got straight

1073
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:26,190
there yeah and there's not much there at

1074
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,430
the moment and you are in the position

1075
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:31,559
to make a plea a request to our

1076
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:33,599
listeners yes so one of the things that

1077
00:52:38,839 --> 00:52:35,369
I would love to happen is just fill it

1078
00:52:41,180 --> 00:52:38,849
with things that are you know you good

1079
00:52:42,940 --> 00:52:41,190
good not just useful but rationally

1080
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:42,950
useful so not just like you know all the

1081
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:45,150
woowoo stuff out there which might

1082
00:52:50,209 --> 00:52:46,890
happen if I open it up to all the entire

1083
00:52:53,029 --> 00:52:50,219
world first how to cast a spell here's

1084
00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:53,039
the shortcut you haven't got a toad well

1085
00:52:58,849 --> 00:52:55,619
you know what frog will do a list of ten

1086
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,859
ways to know the earth is flat so all

1087
00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:00,900
these all these things and I think that

1088
00:53:04,849 --> 00:53:02,430
there's a lot to go over there and the

1089
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:04,859
community is just starting out I'm still

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working in kind like you know fixing

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kinks and figuring out like you know how

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things are done so this is really the

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time for anyone who has anything to say

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00:53:15,609 --> 00:53:12,869
in a nutshell or if there's anything

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00:53:18,289 --> 00:53:15,619
quickly you know quick references

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00:53:20,959 --> 00:53:18,299
cheat sheets quick references what's the

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00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,969
way I say this verb in German yes yeah

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little things like this little things

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00:53:27,319 --> 00:53:23,819
like this there you are folks there's

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your chance to be in on a very new

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00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:30,869
development of nutshell dot wiki it's

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there's not much there at the moment I

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00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:35,219
had a look it's not very much but we

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00:53:39,979 --> 00:53:38,249
hope to experiment yeah that's right

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00:53:41,989 --> 00:53:39,989
that's why it's a wiki it's gonna be the

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00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,999
work of you know all of them all of

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00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:43,619
everyone that contributes I should pay I

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00:53:48,469 --> 00:53:45,569
should make a podcasting cheat sheet

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actually you know and in fact next week

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I hope to give my very first media

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training to our friend susan gerbic who

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does guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

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so that's gonna be interesting anyway

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00:54:04,489 --> 00:54:01,529
there's exciting news folks if you're

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00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:04,499
into wiki and who isn't what is it this

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00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:07,049
the third fourth most visited site in

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the world Wikipedia is the guy's is the

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fifth after

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Google I imagine I I think it kind of

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it's gonna shift a little bit but yeah I

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00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:17,020
think it's good well Google I think is

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00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:18,250
either the first of the second I think

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00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:20,080
Facebook is somewhere up there okay sure

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00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:22,330
I don't remember her the third from the

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third one could be the skeptics earned

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00:54:30,030 --> 00:54:26,980
on TV but anyway yes that yes so there's

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the third sometimes a second yeah and

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it's also changes a little bit between

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countries but for the most part where

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we're number five just to make it clear

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natural wiki is not a Wikipedia project

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00:54:41,580 --> 00:54:39,910
right right it's a personal project but

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00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:41,590
it does work on a wiki which is

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00:54:45,690 --> 00:54:43,050
something that we could be lying I

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00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:45,700
understand the concepts now just in case

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00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:48,520
anybody had confusion what Mario great

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00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,080
to see you again it's lovely to catch up

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00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,720
with you let's hope next time the way

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00:54:57,450 --> 00:54:54,400
there is a little bit more favorable as

1140
00:54:58,980 --> 00:54:57,460
we peel ourselves off this what's I mean

1141
00:55:00,599 --> 00:54:58,990
that's all this concrete I don't think

1142
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:00,609
helps well we're in a sort of what are

1143
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:02,940
we word between two huge buildings at

1144
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:07,090
the Jewish Museum yeah so it is yeah

1145
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:09,700
right behind us there it is and luckily

1146
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:12,670
the Sun is now getting a bit lower but

1147
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:14,170
it's people are walking around thinking

1148
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:17,710
what the hell yeah what the hell I'd

1149
00:55:20,970 --> 00:55:19,480
rather have a flat earth than global

1150
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,980
warming but what are you gonna do I know

1151
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:23,440
I yeah if only well maybe Flat Earth

1152
00:55:27,329 --> 00:55:25,540
wouldn't have had global warming whoo

1153
00:55:29,730 --> 00:55:27,339
someone can calculate the odds of that

1154
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:29,740
how far away the Sun is and a black

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00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:34,270
earth you know thanks Mario yeah thank

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[Music]

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00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:56,000
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1158
00:56:02,089 --> 00:55:59,819
zone now if you are in or near Bend

1159
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:02,099
Oregon on Wednesday the 25th of

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00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:05,310
September there's a meet-up coming skip

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00:56:12,589 --> 00:56:08,220
toid media and guest susan gerbic grief

1162
00:56:14,059 --> 00:56:12,599
of vampires wikipedia and more susan

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00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:14,069
gerbic is the founder of guerrilla

1164
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:17,609
skepticism on wikipedia gso w Monterey

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00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:20,520
County skeptics and as a self-proclaimed

1166
00:56:26,030 --> 00:56:23,700
skeptical junkie skeptical Inquirer

1167
00:56:29,210 --> 00:56:26,040
contributor gerbic is a fellow of the

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00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:29,220
committee for skeptical inquiry CSI and

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00:56:35,660 --> 00:56:31,619
the winner of the James Randi Foundation

1170
00:56:37,940 --> 00:56:35,670
Award for 2017 mark Edward a

1171
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:37,950
professional Mentalist who specializes

1172
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:40,440
in magic of the mind will open the show

1173
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:42,990
with his mentalism as well as talk about

1174
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:46,980
his work in the psychic business so

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00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:48,900
there you are folks if you're in Oregon

1176
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:52,290
make your way to Bend Bend Oregon on

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00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:56,099
Wednesday September the 25th for that

1178
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,410
evening and I will link to that on this

1179
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,540
week's show notes that's at Meetup

1180
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:03,000
coming up on next week's show I hope to

1181
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:04,410
bring you the promised interviews with

1182
00:57:10,819 --> 00:57:07,920
some of the people from Dragon Con I was

1183
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:10,829
lucky enough to meet and also maybe also

1184
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:14,250
may be behind the scenes at guerrilla

1185
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:17,010
skepticism on Wikipedia because in a few

1186
00:57:20,839 --> 00:57:18,690
days I'll be actually visiting susan

1187
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:20,849
gerbic so that should be a lot of fun

1188
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:22,770
looking forward to that Susan if you're

1189
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:24,930
listening get the peanut butter ready

1190
00:57:33,260 --> 00:57:28,010
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1191
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:33,270
more champagne and some chocolate thank

1192
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:34,920
you again to all those wonderful people

1193
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:36,930
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00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:40,680
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00:57:45,309 --> 00:57:43,170
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